Thursday, July 21, 2005

Coach me, Coach you! Coach who?

In the past 5 years we have seen free agency not only be about players ... but coaches as well. This summer is no exception. With players demanding trades and coaches faking illnesses (am I wrong?), we have seen more drama in today’s sports then any backstabbing, jaw dropping, gorgeous a$$, honey in desperate housewives. I’ll give it to our French friend on the Spurs, how Eva Longoria (absolutely gorgeous) decided to be with him and not me I will never understand, but I digress.

Sorry, where was I going with this … oh yes, I’m talking about Larry Brown. Larry Brown and Eva Longoria. Like honey and cod oil, sugar and spice, sunrise and COMPLETE DARKNESS. You can guess who is who. Am I the only one here disappointed in the acts of Larry Brown? If he was on the show “Desperate Housewives” (which I have never seen, I promise), he would be the one that cheats on his wife and has 12 illegitimate children (a.k.a: Carolina Cougars, Denver Rockets, Denver Nuggets, UCLA, NJ Nets, Univ. of Kansas, Spurs, Clippers, Pacers, 76ers, Pistons, and lastly the Knicks in the oven).

Oui, Oui, je parle enfraincas !!

I'm sick of Espn and the rest of the "media" acting like E-TV or Insider, trying desperately (no pun intended) to uncover all the drama. What’s done is done. Larry is cheating on the Pistons and moving to NY where the women are prettier, but you better check the pants (might be something there you don’t want).

So again, where am I going with this? Mike “Mullin’s Puppet” Montgomery. Coach of the Warriors. The one who replaced the only successful Warriors coach in ten years. Am I a fan? No! Look what he did pre Baron. Now look at the stress that follows a fantastic run at the end of a pointless season. Mike has to make the playoffs this year, no doubt. If not I call on next season's free agency. I think Larry will be available … and I’m banking so will a ton of other coaches. Who knows maybe Phil will finally read his own damn book and remind himself why he, we, and the whole world hates Kobe.

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At 9:19 PM, Blogger Still Boz Ballin said...

I hate all this drama surrounding larry brown, especially when it was going on during the playoffs last year. Instead of talking about player matchups and the BASKETBALL that was being played, espn and all the other media wanted to talk about larry brown and his coaching future. WHO CARES?? Lets watch basketball.

By the way, LB is the most OVERRATED coach ever. Whoop de frickin do he won an NCAA title and a NBA title. He is good, and I don't mean to direspect him, but there is no reason for espn to lick on his balls like they so frequently do.

As for Monty, the pressure is on my friend. Good Luck.

At 10:18 PM, Anonymous On Point said...

Great insights on Larry Brown man. He really is a desperate housewife.

I remember when you guys reported that Larry Brown was coming to the Warriors as a joke.

I actually believed it and was jumping for joy. The point Coach Monty's dumb coaching has made Warriors fans desperate housewives... desperate for another decent coach after we wrongly kicked muss to the curb.

Keep up the great writing.

At 1:32 AM, Blogger pawnograffiti said...

Yall take a big step back and don't front on a guy who belongs in a retirement home. Man is old enough to be all our Daddies Grandpa!

Health is a concern especially in a city like Detroit with all them factoires and industrial warehouse let the man move to New York where the Smog just be a tiny bit easier to breathe :-)

If the Montgomery experiment fails then it's time to do what Chris Cohan has been putting off for the last 10 years (ever since Nelly left) Bring in Rick "You Got Punk'd" Barry. We can't keep saying Troy, Jason, And Mike are a young nucleaus and not make the playoffs. least with hot rod Rick it be screaming down there throats like a Fort Knox bootcamp!

At 3:22 PM, Anonymous jashugan said...

What's the deal with Rick Barry? Does he not want to coach?, or is there something he did that makes him an outcast?

At 5:21 PM, Blogger pawnograffiti said...

i don't know bout Rick but i think his got a badboy label on him ( not the Pistons )

He does want to coach from all indications. cept i don't think anyone wants to take a gamble on him. He might be a nightmare for the public relations with his media dealings :-)

But he did rip into espn and there hotseat for painting a picture of his image from nearly 30 years ago.

At 8:19 PM, Anonymous #24 foe life said...

Everyone thought Rick Barry was an arrogant ass punk when he was playing- not sure how much was myth and how much was reality, but that was the perception. He's pretty much an outcast.

And that ESPN Hot Seat was garbage. They unnecessarily disrespected him, showing how classless ESPN can be.

BUT- Rick Barry is a brilliant hoops mind. Listen to him on KNBR. He def wants to coach. I think the Warriors should give him the break he needs.

He did bring them a championship.

At 6:33 AM, Blogger pawnograffiti said...

the only championship in the history of this team.

But still give Chris Mullin for bouilding a squad a 100% his control. if he thinks RickBarry will help he will bring him in.

At 6:55 AM, Blogger fantasy junkie said...

what's all this talk about getting rid of monty? he did a great job incorporating BD onto the team and not upsetting other players as they lost PT. It's an extremely young team, and you need a coach that knows how to develop players. Monty struggled early on because he had a lack of talent. Enter Baron Davis, and is it any wonder we start playing better? You need talent to win. If you compare the talent Muss had (Jamison, Arenas, Murphy) and compare it to pre-Baron, then of course Muss is going to win more.

Okay here's what else Monty has done. Look at J-Rich's game pre-Monty vs. post-Monty. He made a huge leap this past year in his all around game. He stepped up his D and played a much more solid game. You can tell he worked hard on his game.

Also, I don't see Rick Barry being able to develop the young guys. He hasn't proven he can coach, so why take a chance. People attribute all the success at the end of the season to BD, but Monty deserves some credit as well for meshing him well into the team and not overplaying him.

BTW, thanks for the Eva pic.

At 9:32 AM, Anonymous get off the monty jock said...

Muss won more games with an even worse lineup the previous season. No Baron and an unhealthy Troy Murphy, Speedy Claxton, and Adonal Foyle.

Besides, Dun-Dun's numbers were better under Muss.

At 1:44 PM, Blogger fantasy junkie said...

are you serious? remember, baron was traded for in the middle of the season, he wasn't with the team the whole season? he played 28 games for us, the team went 18-10. so if you want to say monty had more talent when baron arrived then fine (but that's debateable considering muss had arenas, jamison, and damp with jamison and damp being major upgrades over dun dun and foyle), he was 18-10 with baron. across a whole season that's 52 wins. muss never even approached that number. just like when muss coached, murphy was injured this season too, adonal was well adonal, and monty coached speedy too.

and i think we can agree that an increase in dun dun's minutes makes it harder to win. (2002 under muss: 15 minutes, 2004 under monty: 35 minutes)

At 3:19 PM, Blogger YaoButtaMing said...

Wait Fantasy are you arguing that Monty is a better coach then Muss? I mean come ON!!! you look at the past 8 or 9 seasons and Muss is the only coach to take an average squad and make them presentable! Muss ended his last season with the same exact lineup Monty had to begin with and Muss still made them play harder and better, even with Richardson growing into a better player with Monty (only because richardson is maturing!).
either way ... I would rather have Muss then Monty leading our current squad.

At 6:42 PM, Blogger fantasy junkie said...

here's what you said: Monty is Mullin's puppet. How so?

Now answer me this: why 2 years after Muss was fired, does he not have a job? I agree he did a good job, but to say he was successful is stretching it. I measure success by making the playoffs or at least winning more than losing. Thus no Warriors coach has been successful in a very long time. It's sad when successful is ~35 wins.

Muss's team:
Starter (Backup)
Van Exel (Speedy Claxton)
J-Rich (Pietrus)
Dunleavy (Cheaney)
Murphy (C. Robinson)
Dampier (Foyle)

Monty's team:
Speedy (Fisher)
J-Rich (Pietrus)
Dunleavy (Cheaney)
Murphy (C. Robinson)
Foyle (D. Davis)

So how is Monty's team the same as Muss's? I'd have to say the team that Monty coached for was much worse than Muss's up until Baron came to town. He was starting 2 of Muss's BACKUPS. Meaning he has to bring in even worse players off the bench, players who would be 3rd string on Muss's team (i.e. 12th and 13th men). So, he was dealt an even worse team.

I'm not saying Monty is a great coach, I'm just saying he's not any worse than Muss and he doesn't deserve to be ripped while Muss is being praised.

At 11:09 PM, Blogger YaoButtaMing said...

Warriors Record:
1997-1998 = 19 wins 63 losses
1998-1999 = 21 wins 29 losses
1999-2000 = 19 wins 63 losses
2000-2001 = 17 wins 65 losses
2001-2002 = 21 wins 61 losses

Then, all of a sudden we hire a little guy by the name of Eric Mussleman! Who single handedly turned this horrible and losing franchise around by his coaching. For TWO straigh years he brought us a team we could root for and be proud about. Thus:

2002-2003 = 38 wins 44 losses
2003-2004 = 37 wins 45 losses

You like Monty? What did he do?
oh yes he was at ...
2004-2005 = 16 wins 40 losses
(pre baron)

You can argue on and on that maybe JUST maybe Muss had a little more talent (Van Ecxel is a stretch my friend), but realistically I believe Muss is a much better coach then Monty. I hope I am wrong for the sake of the Warriors, but watching Monty coach all last year, I was not impressed compared to the days we had Muss!

At 11:13 PM, Blogger YaoButtaMing said...

Muss basically doubled our team's winning totals. you can't honestly tell me that a winning coach is only defined by "making the playoffs". Do you realize how hard it is to make the playoffs in the West and not to mention that we should at least give a coach more then 2 years to turn a franchise around.
Are you telling me that because Utah didn't make the playoffs this year that Jerry Sloan is not a successful coach?

At 7:52 AM, Blogger fantasy junkie said...

That's just a ridiculous comment. You cannot compare Muss to Sloan. I don't need to go into why Sloan has been successful. I also said to be successful, you should win more than you lose. If you want to measure success by winning 38 games, that's fine, I have higher expectations. To me success is not relative, it is absolute. Just because you were awful the years before does not make it okay to be slightly awful the next year and call yourself successful. (Decent = 50% winning).

You omit the most glaring difference in the two teams, Erick Dampier. You can argue all you want about how he sucked this year, but last year he played like an All-Star. He was the 3rd best center in the West. He played 74 games, averaged a double double (12pts, 12 rebs) and played above average D (he held his own against the diesel). (Haha and he held Yao down the first few games in the playoffs this year. I know you love to hear that YaoButta) Okay now take him away and start your backup center. A guy who should never have been starting. A guy who is best as a reserve (and every warrior fan knew that). Now start him. And back him up with an old and decrepit, Dale Davis and an unproven, raw Biedrins. That's scary.

I'm not saying Monty is a better nor worse coach than Muss. I'm just saying you're ripping him unfairly. He was not given the same talent Muss was, until Baron came. And then what happened? Playoff aspirations for this coming year. Muss won 38 games with Arenas and Jamison and the same bunch of guys. Would you trade Baron for Arenas and Jamison? Have to think about it? (I would do it.) If you have to think about it, then at some level you have to concede Muss had greater talent than Monty won 38 games.

And you say you need at least 3 years to evaluate a coach. Monty has coached 1. If he wins 38 games this year will you call him successful? If he makes the playoffs, like so many people believe the Warriors will, are you going to call him a better coach than Muss? Why all the love for Muss when Monty won nearly as many games with a worse squad?

At 9:18 AM, Blogger YaoButtaMing said...

oh you had to make it all personal now, didn't you! a little cheap shot on Yao makes you feel better doesn't it? how sad!
Look all i'm saying is that Monty had the same team as Muss and was on the verge of a 16 and something season. I really don't think having Eric Dampy would have given them another 10+ wins, now that is just ridiculous!
Am I giving Monty a hard time? hell yea! going 16 and whatever is horrible even with the talent he had. I believe Muss could have done a much better job. Should I give Monty some more time, sure why not but that's the purpose of this forum, to talk shit about people and hope they improve. I never compared Muss to Sloan. I was pointing out your "high standards" of a successful coach is a little harsh.
Maybe I'm just loyal. No Warriors fan should feel good that a coach like Muss who did a fantastic job for us got booted 2 years after taking the job.

At 11:54 AM, Anonymous Stanford Nation said...



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